Mars Saturn Aspects: Shadow vs Conscious Expression

Mars conjunct square opposition Saturn

Hot and Cold: The Archetype of Mars Saturn Aspect

Mars is your inner warrior. If you have a healthy Mars, you’re able to assert yourself in relationships, speak up in order to persuade others, and take action to achieve your goals.

Saturn (when developed) acts as your inner “wise old man.” At other times, Saturn is your inner giant that swallows your creativity and positive motivation (recall the myth of Cronus eating his children.) In early life, Saturn most often represents the father.

Mars and Saturn do not always get along, because Mars is hot and Saturn is cold (in a psychological sense).  When you have these two planets in hard aspect (conjunction, square or opposition), you’ll most likely experience challenges in integrating both energies successfully.  In this article, we’ll explore the dark side of Mars Saturn aspects (especially conjunction, square or opposition) and then look at ways to unlock their constructive expression.

 

Mars conjunct square opposition Saturn: The Father Wound

 

The Shadow Side of Masculinity

Unless your natal Mars or Saturn happens to be well placed (in Capricorn, for example), hard aspects between them tend to be experienced in their shadow form, at least in the beginning.

In their shadow form, Saturn suppresses Mars, and Mars wounds Saturn.  As a result, Mars conjunct, square or opposition Saturn could be experienced as negative expressions of masculine principle. In early life, this tends to manifest as father wounds.

What’s a father wound?

As a young child, your father was the model of masculine authority – he was possibly the highest authority in your world.  If your emotional bond with your father was strong and supportive, you were able to grow with confidence in your ability to assert yourself and assume responsibility in the world.

If your father was emotionally absent, excessively angry or irresponsible, you may have grown up with a father wound that resulted in underdeveloped masculinity (regardless of your gender.)  Until you get to the root of the father wound, you may feel a sense of weakness or even futility when trying to assert yourself or to accomplish your goals in the world.

What people do when they feel weak…

Is they overcompensate and try to act strong.  Mars-Saturn aspects’ reputation for ruthless, controlling and even brutal behaviors could actually be originating from a deep feeling of powerlessness.  Such dominant behaviors are usually a repeat of the father’s pattern (who in turn may have been overcompensating for his own sense of powerlessness.)

What doesn’t go out, must go in

The alternative manifestation of Mars conjunct, square or opposition Saturn is “suppressed anger.”  If expressing anger against your father was not safe, then you may have had to hold the anger inside, learning not to assert yourself while seething with resentment on the inside.

It’s easy to imagine how either of the above patterns could create problems in later life.

 

Working Toward Resolution: Healing the Father Wound

These shadow manifestations are indeed challenging, and quite common among people with a highly stressed or retrograde Saturn.  With Saturn Mars aspect in particular, there seems to be difficulty with the emotions of anger as well as constructive self-assertion.

While there are no quick fixes, recognizing the father wound and accepting its pain is certainly the beginning of healing.  By separating from the dysfunctional patterns modeled by your father, you’ll be able to choose a different, wiser application of your energy.

Now we’ll look at more positive expressions of Mars Saturn aspects.

 

Mars conjunct square opposition Saturn: Constructive Paths

 

Wisdom guides Force

In a constructive scenario, Saturn sets a positive direction for Mars, and Mars acts to realize Saturn’s long range goals.

Necessary Control of Anger

From experience, you learn how to work with anger in relationships.  You’ve learned that dominating or controlling others do not work, and neither did suppressing anger.

What you’ve learned is a middle path – a conscious restraint of the anger that you fully feel.  This is zen territory, and monks talk about it.  One book I highly recommend in this regard is Robert Bly’s A little book on the human shadow, where the poet discusses this very process.

Ambition and Effort

 Once Mars’ energy is released from suppression and resentment, Mars-Saturn combination acquires clarity of purpose and disciplined, patient action.  In short, they tend to become unstoppable, especially if aided by boosters such as Jupiter or Pluto.

Noel Tyl uses phrases like “Resourcefulness” and “Indomitable Will” to describe Mars Saturn aspect.  Once the emotional stoppage is removed, your doors to achievements open.  You can direct this energy in any arena – physical, intellectual, spiritual or organizational.

 

Recap: Mars Saturn Aspect Interpretation – Shadow vs Wisdom

To recap the discussion of Mars Saturn conjunction, square or opposition, we’ll consider each aspect separately and explore their shadow side vs conscious expression.  Note that, although some subtle differences exist based on the type of aspect, many qualities will be interchangeable between all 3 aspects.

 

Mars Conjunct Saturn

Core Theme: Identification with father’s values.  Focused energy.

Shadow Manifestation: If your father held negative views about you and/or himself, you might have accepted the limiting perception about yourself as truth.  As a result, you may be repeating much of the disempowering, frustrated patterns your father exhibited.

Conscious Expression: Once you’re able to separate from your identification with your father’s destructive patterns (or, if you are able to identify with his positive patterns), you’ll gain a stronger sense of self, able to achieve new heights in life through focused effort.

 

Mars Square Saturn

Core Theme: Tension and Development.

Shadow Manifestation:  Your father may have displayed much of the negative masculine traits discussed in this article.  As a result you might repeat the pattern of dominance and overcompensation, or let your frustration and resentment implode within.

Conscious Expression: Once you begin healing the father wounds and let go of stored resentment, there will be considerable energy available for long term development.  This aspect suggests indomitable will.

 

Mars Opposition Saturn

Core Theme: Awareness and Projection.

Shadow Manifestation:  You project a lot of the negative masculine quality in others – especially your boss (authority figure) or your spouse.  As a result you keep blaming others for your frustration in life, feeling powerless.

Conscious Expression: Once you are able to withdraw the projection of angry, dominant behaviors from others, you recognize these qualities inside of you and can integrate them.  Afterwards you act with conscious awareness of the power of anger within, no longer a victim.  You learn to assert yourself successfully, with patience and wisdom.

 

Do you have Mars Saturn aspect?  How do you experience it?

Please feel free to share your thoughts and experiences in the comments section.

 

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About Hiroki Niizato

Hiroki Niizato is a professional consulting astrologer in Florida, serving clients in US and abroad. He has been practicing astrology professionally since 2001. Hiroki is a highest honor graduate of the demanding Master’s Degree Certification Course in Astrology by Noel Tyl.

You can contact Hiroki via email at: Hiroki@hniizato.com or Phone: 727-470-4056 to ask a question or schedule a consultation.

Comments

  1. I have lived with Mars / Pluto/ Saturn opp. Merc. Venus/S Node (12h) for almost 68 years. Because Saturn rules my 2nd h, I have had money challenges my entire life. Through it all I have developed a respectful r’ship w money. I am bold enough to say that I probably have a healthier r’ship w money than many folks who actually have a lot of money. Living on the edge financially has greatly helped me strengthen my ability to trust that life supports me. Saturn has turtle energy quality so I keep counting on my ‘ship coming in’. I found your comments about Mars/Saturn to be very insightful. Thanks for your great writing…

    • Hi Laurel, thank you for commenting and sharing your experience! That’s a good insight about Saturn’s rulership of the 2nd house and how it shaped your relationship with money.

  2. Nadia Palkiewicz says:

    How timely! Mars in my chart is conjunct Uranus and opposite Saturn. It is at 29 Leo and currently receiving a square from transiting Saturn. Your article helped me see in a new light the “futility” I feel towards self-assertion… always thwarted by obstacles, big and small… Very insightful, and I can definitely relate to “seething resentment”. Thank you!

    • Hi Nadia, thank you for commenting. Glad you resonated with the article, with your Mars Saturn opposition. Uranus adds extra intensity to the combination, so it will be a powerful aspect once you release the suppressed emotions.

  3. I have mars in 4th opposite saturn in 9th (add uranus conjunxt saturn opposite mars as well). Every time i look at my chart, this aspect keeps drawing my eye. Somewhere inside me i know that this is the dominating one in my chart, at least in my earlier years and up to 28.
    Sometimes i feel like anger is my best friend, it sits on my shoulder constantly, waiting for an excuse to act. I find mu outlet in everything thats got discipline, as long as its strict and has a strong moral compass behind it, i get by fine. Mostly i get angry at myself, for always feeling so useless, it’s like there’s one foot on the speeder (mars) and one foot on the break (saturn) at the same time, and the feeling of trying and trying your best, but constantly getting pulled back is so frustrating i sometimes fully understand why it manifests as anger. So if what i tell myself to do doesnt work, then you can bet that some other “authority figure” shouldn’t state their opinions at all ;) it can be hard feeling as if you’re at war with the entire world (projection) when its just myself i cant fully accept. I mostly feel that this aspect has been the root of all my problems, but these last few years when i’m nearing thirty, i’ve started seeing the good qualities, and trying to finally relax and not be so tense about absolutely every aspect of my life, trying to get things done and not succeeding. I feel as if no one can break my will, i know exactly what direction i want to go, and no “temptations” are going to lead me astray as they do so many other people who make excuses every time they make a bad choice and hurt other people. When i finally started not blaming everything for my own mistakes og judging everyone for being without a moral compass (which most still are), and just minding my own business, its as if mars/saturn finally started working together instead of constantly fighting. I still often feel tense, that doesnt really go away, but i’m catching it more now, being concious and turning that enormous power to something constructive rather than self-destructive.
    Honestly, sometimes i feel this aspect is like a curse, it makes everything that much harder to accomplish, an up-hill battle in practically everything, but i wouldn’t change it for the world. The will is so strong here, that when used positively, it can move mountains, and one doesn’t find that quality so often.
    Thanks for the article :-)

    • Hi Julitta, thank you for commenting and sharing your experience of natal Mars opposing Saturn and Uranus. Great to see how the Mars Saturn dynamic is evolving in your awareness! Uranus adds extra charge to this combination, which means both positive or not-so-positive expression will be amplified.

  4. Suez777 says:

    Hi Hiroki, thanks for this great explanation of Mars-Saturn aspects. You mentioned that having either Mars or Saturn well-placed can offset some of the more debilitating effects of this placement. I have Saturn in Capricorn but Mars is in Cancer with an opposition between them. I was just wondering how much the Saturn placement might mitigate the poorly placed Mars. My father (who was a high ranking Air Force officer, and often absent due to his work as a test pilot) walked out on a family of 4 children when I was 11, and we never saw or heard from him again. Thirty years later I found his address and wrote to him to tell him what I thought of him and to let him know what havoc his actions had caused in all our lives. I don’t feel as though I project an angry persona, quite the opposite in fact. I think my friends would describe me as warm, welcoming, etc (though obviously past resentments came out in my letter to my father). Perhaps that’s the “simmering resentment” just held in check? My question is – how beneficial is the role of a Capricorn Saturn in this scenario?

    • Hi Sue, thank you for commenting and sharing your experience. Regarding “how beneficial” the Capricorn Saturn might be, it’s possible that with well placed Saturn you could more easily shift into the positive expression of the aspect. But from what you’ve shared, there may still be some healing opportunities to go through.

      Projection in the sense meant here for Mars opposing Saturn is to see (project) the anger in others. So if you feel judgment toward someone in your life for the way they express anger, maybe there is some projection at work, meaning that you could be seeing your own anger reflected back at you through other people’s behavior. I’m not saying if this is true for you, but it’s something worth exploring especially if you’re feeling unhappy toward someone.

  5. Laurent says:

    I’m the “lucky” owner of a triple conjunction Mars/Uranus/Pluto in the 4 Opposite Saturne Retrograde in the 10 (Virgo/Pisces axis). After 10 years of therapy to get rid of the past, I’m probably the most resilient person I know.
    It’s an euphemism to say that I’ve had dificulties with authority figures in the past – to the point that it got obvious that the only way for me was full independancy workwise. Now, it’s still a batlle, but I keep in mind that Mars must serve Saturne, and not fight him – since in the end he always looses.
    It’s a principle that I try to apply every day – though I’ll never get rid of a deep injustice feeling regarding how our elites rule the world. In that way, my Mars tends to serve Uranus more than Saturne (respecting the Noel Tyl principle that in the Saturne/Uranus contacts, Uranus is always the winner in the end – even it has to be after painful life experiences.)

    • Hi Laurent, thank you for commenting and sharing your experience of Mars opposition Saturn Rx with Uranus and Pluto thrown in! I respect your personal insight obtained through years of work.

  6. I know this is off the central theme about personal aspects, but Mars opposite Saturn is in a composite chart with my partner. Both of us come to the relationship with fairly substantial parental wounds, and with it, as you pointed out, the challenges of power and projection. As we work through our issues individually and as a couple, I can see the positive potential – that energy, when directed correctly, has been tremendously healing and productive, and we are thriving. Nonetheless, learning how to relate (and communicate -Mars is in our 3rd house) from a position of strength and confidence, will be a continuing source of learning and growth. However, I don’t know if I could have made the personal strides I have without this composite aspect. (Mars is not in contact with Saturn in either of our natal charts.) Thanks again for your compassionate interpretation of challenging aspects. It gives space to explore meaning creatively.

  7. Hi Hiroki,

    My son who just turned 20 has Pisces Saturn 24′ in 2nd house opposed Virgo Mars 24′ in the eighth, Mars is conjunct Chiron.

    I met his dad, a Virgo who was a foreign student who had just arrived in the U.S. for a graduate degree. We became close friends, but dating was chaos. The whole time I kept seeing in his face the beautiful blending of what was to become our child, a combination of eastern and western genetic blending that turned out so beautiful. He fought the idea, and I made it come to fruition. It was like I was on a mission to create a masterpiece from the shambles of my life. When our son was born, I lived in another state and it took his father almost a year to gather up the courage to finally visit. I always tried to keep the door open and the welcome mat out for him. Finally he realized his fears were unfounded and our son grew up to be an outstanding, successful person.
    We all get along together well and the happiest day of my life was when we happily attended our son’s high school graduation together as dear friends and parents. It was something that was painfully absent from my own youth.

    With Mars conjunct Chiron in Virgo, my son struggles with my weaknesses as a parent. Everything he cannot do for himself, falls on my shoulders and sometimes I lash out in frustration. I have tried to be the parent I never had, the strength and the rock and it seems he sees me as not that way at all, just weakness and inability to snap to it.

    I have Libra Mars exactly conjunct my I.C. sesquiquadrate Aquarius Saturn in the eighth house, and Pisces Moon conjunct Chiron in the 9th. In my case, my dad severely abused my mom while I always looked on and then abandoned me as a child. My mom was in no shape to raise me and I raised my son with the knowledge that I learned better parenting skills after understanding how important it was. I empowered my child and focused attention on his awareness of himself and his abilities in the world and how to cultivate self pride and preservation. To do that, I was often forced to confront my greatest fears and shortcomings. It was always a very raw and honest approach. I did not sugar coat anything. So it is painful for my son sometimes to understand how flawed I am, and he seeks to distance himself from that.

    And I understand him completely, because I felt that way about my own mother and give thanks everyday that I am a much healthier and happier version of her without all of her emotional wounding and suffering.

    • Hi Sherry,

      Thank you for sharing your experience with your son (Mars opposite Saturn) and your own (Mars sesquiquadrate Saturn) father situation. It sounds like you played a significantly larger role in your son’s development, almost as if you were both his mother and father to some extent.

  8. It’s taken me a while, but I wanted to thank you Hiroki, for your mention of the book, “A Little Book on the Human Shadow” by Robert Bly. Since my Nodal Return last year (in my progressed 12th), I’ve been especially drawn to shadow work, reading *almost* anything I can get my hands on. This beautiful little book didn’t disappoint ~ thanks so much for the recommendation.:)

    Among its many pearls is a passage having to do with overlooked or denied details, those dark truths that lie in shadow. The author relays a story he heard about a traveler who made a point of regularly attending different talks given by various ‘holy’ men, afterwards asking each how their particular spiritual path related to the poor. Rather than having his question (and underlying concern) answered, he was regularly escorted out of these talks!

    With transiting Saturn opposite my 9H retrograde Gemini Mars and square my 12H Pluto in Virgo, I related to the idea the storyteller was trying to convey and found it very validating.:) Maybe it’s worth adding how my Draconic Saturn (in Taurus) is conjunct my natal Mars in Gemini.

    In addition to taking back any shadow projections and consciously restraining our anger, I think the “middle path” you refer to also benefits by our consciously *redirecting* it. Once we understand and take back our projections, it frees up energy and awareness that can then be rechanneled, personally and collectively. It’s the gold in the shadow. Hard work yes, but if we’re interested in bigger truths and walking our talk, also very rewarding.

    Thanks again, Hiroki.:) I always appreciate your insights.

    • Hi lb, glad you enjoyed the book! I agree, the essence of Mars Saturn aspect is in having the wisdom to know where to redirect the energy..

      • A big part of my own shadow work -and using one of Bly’s shadow archetypes- has involved recognizing when I’m carrying other people’s witches around *or* they’re carrying mine, then consciously taking back what belongs to me. It’s a process that began years ago, when I started to express myself (and redirect my hurt and anger) through the art I created ~ something I didn’t mention in my original comment.

        Music helps too. One of my favorite singer/composers, great for helping me connect with shadow, is Lisa Gerrard.

        There’s a lovely quote in the book that resonates deeply with me:

        ” . . . the person who has eaten his shadow spreads calmness and shows more grief than anger.” Robert Bly

        Okay, Hiroki. I’ll leave it at that, except to say I’d love to read more astrological posts on shadow.:)

  9. I have Mars square Saturn retrograde and certainly have a great rejection of my father, completely blocking me and I’ve always been afraid because it is very aggressive … the issue is that I have accumulated a lot of anger and would be far from the; I think so too have problems with authority. I hope my experience will be useful.

    • Hello Roxana,

      Thank you for commenting and sharing your experience with Mars square Saturn retrograde (a classic father situation). As you begin integrating the anger, the other side of the aspect (its strengths) might begin to emerge.

  10. Hi,
    I have Saturn conjunct Pluto in the 1st house squaring mars in cancer 10th house. My early childhood was seeing my father only in weekends as his work took him away. I could say he was missing most part of my life even though he was there. Sometimes I regarded him as an authority figure even though when I wanted to dominate him I did. A part of frustration and anger was developed when I was put in a situation where my father’s friend and colleague tried to put his tongue in my mouth. This is all I remember as I was around 7 yrs old. He haunted me every time my father took me with him in his delegations and his colleague joined us with his little daughter younger then me. Just the thought of being around him made me feel shameful and afraid. My fathers presence did helped a bit as I new he would not dare to touch me. The past 4 yrs of my life ( I’m 32 now) I spent researching my soul and meeting with my demons (probably Pluto opposition moon helped ). What I would like to share here is that when u are in a situation which is beyond control and you loose every power you own because of another person gives u the most unsettling and frustrating feeling. And that point which changed my life has put the stamp on everything, how I would behave, think and feel, so I started to dominate by any means I had, manipulation, violence (verbal kind) and anger, loads of anger. I dominated all my relationships through jealousy and manipulation until I meat my husband who had a lot of patience with me and through him I realized what had happened to me in early childhood. I think his words struck me first : ” why do you hate me when you should love me, don’t you know that every time you are talking and behaving this way u are just promoting hate between us.” So I have decided to love him and stop the promotion of hatred. I ‘ve always felt that I owe it to all women to hurt, despise and toy with other man. I have also Lilith opposition SUN. It didn’t bring me any of happiness. This energy need an outlet, a physical one. What I can advice do sport of any kind and meditate this helped me a lot after dealing with your demons.

    • Hello Lola,

      Thank you for sharing your experience and insights with Saturn square Mars, intensified by Pluto. I think many people will find your words helpful, and look how you’ve been able to change the patterns of hate into that of love! Much appreciated..

  11. Wow…. that sounds pretty dangerous!

    My significant other has Mars+Saturn+Pluto in a loose conjunction in Libra in his 7th House. Jupiter at zero degrees of Scorpio is also part of the mix, as an out of sign conjunction. This whole planetary soup squares his Cancer Sun!

    Many of the things you have written here would definitely hold true for him. He always says he had a loveless childhood. Although he never elaborates, I suspect it was the “father wound” you have mentioned. He feels that the only way he can get over his childhood is when he becomes a loving father to two kids, himself. I don’t want children… definitely not now, and maybe not ever. I’m a freedom-loving Aquarian!!

    Also, he had a bad first marriage… I guess that would happen if Saturn was in your seventh house, right? As his GF, I can only hope that he is the ‘more evolved’ kind of Saturnian!

    BTW, your blog is great. I love reading the articles as well as the insightful comments left by different readers.

    • Hi MB, thank you for your comment. Mars Saturn aspect is a formidable combination, but fortunately there are plenty of inspiring examples that express the power of will and discipline suggested by this aspect. Nick Vujicic comes to mind.

  12. You are so spot on, it’s a little freaky at first! :) I have a Saturn conjunct Mars/Moon (exact), in the seventh house of Cancer. So, this whole article, was like reading my life story. But with alot less abusie, and control. My step-father, who I was told most of my life was my “real” father. Was a complete and utter control freak. He had anger issues and he abuse us, alot. We walked around in fear most of the time. He gave us ridiculous rules and regulations, then spied on us to make sure we were following them. Things like not sitting on the grass. I never really understood, all of the things that his abusive and controlling behavior caused. But this still affects me, somewhat in varying degrees. I just took my driveres license test, and passed! I am age 40. My kids all tease me because they got there’s before I did. I am a highly, “gifted, intelligent person-and feel I have wasted my entire life, out of fear. Fear that he instilled in me all those years ago. I have only just recently started to do things, most “normal” people do everyday-and don’t think twice about it. Like banking, Savings Accounts, 401 K and Retirement Plans. I am slowly, every year-gaining new knowledge, to be more and more self sufficent. And feeling more and more capable, of setting goals, and making appts., and organizing, ect. ect. And the thing that really forced me, into starting down that road of self-motivation and understanding that I am a capable, able human-was my children. It was do or die, I had to start going and doing and being present, as soon as they were born. It was never easy, and I have worked hard, alot of times just in my own mind-just to get through a day, and not melt into a screaming fit out of pure frustrated anxiety. I’m so sorry, to be so long winde-but I am so excited I found this website!! You are very intuitive and spot on!! I also want to add the reasn I hav continued my Astrological Studies all of these years-I feel there is something to it-because I can guess apersons Sun sign, after maybe just talking with them a few times-sometimes just a few minutes-and my success rate is about 75 percent!!! It’s seems uncanny-but to me I see it so clearly- I usually just blurt it out. I have scared more than a few people!! Anyway, thanks-your great!

    • It seems like very few people have a conjunction aspect, so I’m so glad to find you! I have Mars tightly conjunct Saturn in my 8th house in Leo. My father was very intense and dominating. Scary is the word I’m looking for. He was never physically abusive, but you were not allowed to express yourself if it didn’t match his perception of what was acceptable. Hence the Leo cusp. I did eventually learn to stand up to him, but I still feel like I can’t really be myself around him. There are a lot of things that I continue to hide from him like my love of astrology and the occult. He would find that blasphemous. I used to wish he would die or my parents would get divorced so I could be me openly. I find myself still thinking that at times. I feel like I can be released when he passes.

  13. Hello hiroki niizato , i am a libra ascendent , my saturn is retrograde in aquarius in 5th house and my mars is well placed in scorpio in 2nd house along with jupiter and venus .how do i relate your article to predict my saturn mars relation ?i share a great relation with my dad .

    • The best way to utilize Mars Saturn aspect is in terms of will power and progress toward your goal. Most often the father issue will be strong during childhood, and as adults you work out a better way to relate with each other.

  14. But i dont remember any instance of having any kind of issue with my dad .he ia my role model ,my guide since childhood.i think it is because i have sun in the first house though debilitated in D1 , it is exalted in D9 in 7th house .but i want to know the malefic effects of retrograde saturn in my chart .thank you .

  15. I have mars in 10th in Cancer and Saturn in forth in Capricorn and Saturn is aspeted by Jupiter in 12th house…actually mars receiving neech bhangga… I study aprox…16-17 hr a day but still not get satisfied…I think always its not sufficient to get what you want… If I waste my time I feel anxiety…sometimes I feel like I can do anything.. no one can stop me from doing it…bt sometimes I feel like I can’t do it…every one is better than me…mood swings r common…n feel like I trying hard but something is pulling me back…I totally forced on my career but feel like I can’t achieve what I want…

  16. Hi sir I have mars saturn conjuction in 6th .all my life was constant battles but somehow I overcome them and after couple of years of Shadow in front of me I can feel that I have the will and I won’t quit.

  17. Hi Hiroki

    I am a male that have his Mars in his 12th squared by Saturn, Moon and Uranus in the 9th house.

    I always had resentement to my father because although he’s a good person, his lack of power and self steem was shocking for me specially when I was a boy. I’m a Sun 8th house too, my father had a very severe deppresion when I had 13 years old. He almost “died” of it.

    I never was able to express my frustration on him, because my mother was even a worst figure to me as a boy .

    Spirituality and meditation has been deeply helpful to me, giving me some of the strenght that I lacked before.

    Nevertheless I’ve recently had that overcompensation that you mention. And anger explosions.

    Would you recommend me something about my Mars?

    I deeply appreciate your articles and help.
    Thank you

    • Hi Alex, thank you for commenting and sharing your experience – I appreciate your candor. You might enjoy works by Robert Bly, who wrote quite a few gems on male psychology (“Iron John” is a classic on this, and “The Little Book of Human Shadow” as mentioned earlier is also good, although not specific to males.) His work gives insights on different ways to develop your Mars (male energy), other than the ones you’ve been taught (modeled) by your father.

  18. Hi Hiroki,

    I have Mars-Saturn conjunct in the 4th house (scorpio) squaring Sun (aquarius).
    I definitly feel, unpowered and afraid to express myself, huge criticism from both parents (Moon in eight house).

    What i’ve learn from my reasearch in this aspects is.

    Saturn-Mars Conjunction = Heavy Criticism from parents and consequently from people in general.
    Saturn-Mars Square = Rejection/ father not present.
    Saturn- Mars Opposition = Goes both ways.

    Just wanna share that i find you very insightfull, and quite spot on.
    wish you the best

  19. Excellent analysis! I’m just learning aspects. I have Mars conjunct Sun and Sun opposite Saturn. My Mars is in a different sign but it is also opposite Saturn based on degrees. I prefer not to share my *daddy experiences* over the internets but you hit on many important and relevant themes. I find it fascinating that Saturn suppresses Mars. Again, I’m a newby with astrology and am still learning how planets express and impress. However I’m *seriously* ruled by Saturn. I’m a Cap rising with a moon in Aqua so you could only imagine how restrictive it is sometimes in many areas of my life. And my Saturn in the 9th is practically sitting on my Jupiter in the 8th. My moon can also take on a whole other expression since its in an extroverted sign. Idk. Thank you for this analysis.

    • Hi R Elaine, thank you for commenting – glad you resonated with the thoughts in this article! Saturn suppresses Mars initially, but it will need to guide and direct Mars eventually for them to work together productively.

  20. Hi. Since ive noticed my tightest aspects revolves around saturn(less than 1 degree) i wanted take a closer look and found myself here. My saturn in 4th square moon(conj pluto) in 1st and mars in 7th(with 17 something degree). So im aware im suppressing many things and i know it caused great suppressed anger. Anger for upbringing, unjustice, being wronged.. I havent got enough power when i was young and i have to just watch all of this shit. Then i dont know when but i remember i vowed myself i will do everything in my power to overcome these situations. I vowed myself i dont wont let them making me what they believe, i dont want to hate and be jealous and suffocated in frustation. And then i worked really hard i directed all energy to work and not wasting it in these negative emotions. Then i entered university a good one and after that in time everthing gets better when i was in my control when there was no hold back.

    • Hi Karen, thank you for commenting and sharing your experience – I appreciated reading about your journey in transforming the potential of this aspect. Mars Saturn combination can turn into “indomitable will”, where you tackle the impossible and win time and again. Good for you!

  21. Saturn conjunct Mars in Scorpio in the first house. mmmm what can I say I still struggle with these themes. My father is the representation of someone who is present but not really, I guess here is where Scorpio comes in all the occult undertones, all the things that are not spoken but understood in some way but not fully conscious of. Its like living your whole life in one paradigm but slowly, and painfully realizing all the lies (Pluto also conjuncts my ascendant) and walking a convoluted maze in which the more you think you are getting closer to the center or the truth the more deeper it all goes, and I wonder if there will ever be an end to all this. I can only hope at this point that I find that center I so desperately seek, but often miss. That I some how find peace with all that I am, and have become. I never paid much attention to my relationship with my father, I kinda dismissed for what it was, someone who I know all my life an lived with but who I barely know, and barely knows me. Pretty twisted, but the story of my life none the less. Thank you for sharing your perspective, and allowing us to share ours. Blessings!

    • Hi Angela,

      Thank you for sharing your story – Scorpio Mars goes very deep, and the conjunction with Saturn marks it with (among other things) a father theme tied to your identity development (the 1st house.) Eventually wisdom, integrity and responsibility will start being the guiding theme, which will allow you to exercise and express your power in a productive way in all relationships.

  22. Hi,
    I have gemini ascendant with southnode, jupiter in 3rd house of leo, Sagittarius northnod in 7th house, retrograde saturn in 8th house of Capricorn, mars in 10th house of pisces.
    In 12th house if tauras i have- venus13°,moon15°,sun17°,mercury17°27′.

    This 12th house 4 planet conjunction ,
    &
    8th house retro. saturn (3rd)aspect on 10th house mars.

    My life was miserable since my childhood. Never had a happy family nurturing environment around me till the age of 15. Then we separated from joint family. hence i feel relaxed, from this day my father has time to take care of me. now it is like i can understand that the circumstances were not good, hence my father suffered. I forgave him in my heart.
    I was a good student. I scored good academics, but had to suffer a lot for this, money problem, people around me were jealous of me hence i got troubles in my way, i never had intelligent teachers for sure, it’s like dumb people taught me always, hence i had to do the whole lot of work alone. Never had good friends.

    I don’t know which planetary effect is causing this but i spend a lot of time imagining. Seriously i imagine a lot. I think a lot. Even i can feel other people’s pain so clearly. I am very sensitive to emotions sometime.
    And now it’s like i dont know what to do.
    It is like i am born to suffer… to see that hell exits on earth…feel it…see others suffering….

    • Hello Vicky, that’s a lot of measurements you listed there – the imagination and “feeling the pain of others” is often represented by Neptune or Pisces emphasis (in your case, Mars in Pisces.) Please feel free to schedule a private consultation if you’d like to discuss your horoscope in more detail.

    • Hello Vicky,
      My ex-husband has joint Saturn Mars in 8th house (gemini) and I can see the damages that the heavy critics of his father have had on him (and on our couple and our children). It’s as if his parents had completely castrated him.
      Having said that, I have only 2 planets in house 12 (mercury ruler of 8th/11th, and uranus ruler of 4th) and it feels like the universe often calle to meditate. As if it urge me several days to examine my true innerself. Sometimes, I wish i could just go out, to make things simple as go to my office, or shopping, or at the coffeeshop, at the beach, to make a picnic but i can’t because my energy suddenly dissipate, I begin to feel sick and I have to be held recluse.
      To be often sick is common with planets in 12th. Another inconvenience is that I feel hardly the pain or sorrow of others people. I carry it, I think about it until I find a solution (and then some rest). Then I go out to find them and I give it to them. Sometimes, I am rejected, but it’s worth it. Because, after a while, 1 week or a month, I notice that my advice has been listened to and the person is on the way to feel better….
      Another inconvenience still is in the difficulty sorting out our own feelings and the others’s. Or our feelings and theirs. But with a little practice, we improve ^^ Good luck!
      Thank you, Hiroki, for this space of exchange, who allows us to know that we are not alone:)

      • I just was thinking… with planets in 12th we have to be very careful not to become addicted in medicine, narcotics, or alcohol. I’ve had a cancer of the thyroid, hypertensive crises, hormonal disorders… I heal myself with homoeopathy, herbal medicine/phytotherapy and aromatherapy to avoid the impact of a too big chemical medication. I feel better now :)
        I obviously avoid tea or coffee, as far as possible (uranus here in 12th, well, it is like there are fireworks all the time, day and night). Planets in 12th make us very, very sensitive. Feeling everybody’s feelings or thoughts until you even don’t know if they’re yours or not, is very difficult to live with. A lot of people take narcotics, alocohol and medicine to be able to deal with their acute sensitivity. That’s the worst thing to do. Theatre, musique, videos, meditation, reading books, writing, painting are the best way. Planets in 12th house increase creativity, sensitivity and resilience by making us be conscious that it’s not just us, but the whole world too. It’s like if we had an open door over another “world” and like if we could just travel between the two worlds, as far as necessary, to fulfill the needs of this one. There’s no border between feelings/thinkings of the others people and ours, neither than between that other world and this one. So we can share our thoughts, dreams, or imagination, our minds… We finally become conscious that we form a whole with everything in the world, even the the world we can’t see. And we begin to understand that there is a power acting in the universe, which regulates the movement of celestial bodies and wants us to develop more compassion, love, creativity and generosity inside us. And we have to find a way to share it artistically. It’s like our ego does not exist any more until it takes into account egos of the whole world, it’s like if our consciousness did not limit itself to our small person but worried to satisfy the ego or needs of the whole world. Too many of us resist him, we prefer to remain superficial, materialistic and irresponsible. Then, we fall into any kind of addictions. And meanwhile, disasters do not stop raining on us.
        We have to accept our path. We all cannot have the same dreams and make all the same thing. The world needs rebels, eccentric people, idealistic dreamers who dare to challenge the world for a better living. Whatever you call God is “cutting” us like a sculptor cuts the stone. That hurts, yes, but He is making of us a masterpiece. So let Him do, because the world needs it (included your futur husband/wife, children, body, colleagues, neighbors, …).
        I’ve lost my dreams of career but I’ve won another power : the power to make the difference in the mind of people around me (my homies, family, colleagues, neighbors,…even strangers,…) trying to get their life, their health and their relations improve. I am still this discreet poor female unknown, who came from Gabon (Central Africa) at age of 25 to marry her French fiancé, (after having lived two years in Gabon with him) and it’s perfect like that. Only God knows what i’ve been through. Be blessed

  23. My natal Mars (5th house) is retrograde, in Libra, and opposing Saturn (11th house) in Aries. (And if we add my Gem Moon (1st)-Sag Pluto (7th) opposition, I don’t really know how to describe this beyond “I am a mess”.)

    Geez, I have all this anger and negative emotions inside, but I try to be positive most of the time… I have problems with people wanting to order me around, but that’s exactly what I do to them. I have problems with my father, a few things I wish I could say to my mother, but I know I’m being irrational. I have trouble with focusing my energy in reaching goals, and I end up procrastinating all the time.

    Etc.. Etc…

    Thanks for the article, though. Gives me hope about this not being THAT bad.

    • Hi Marian, thanks for commenting and sharing your experience with the Mars Saturn opposition. Mars retrograde adds a bit of internalized anger, a need to find a way to assert yourself constructively. As with most Saturn aspect, this is something you will get better at with experience and conscious awareness.

    • Bonjour Marian (sorry i’m french people)
      I also have Mars in Libra and I read somewhere that this position describes people who do not absolutely like the conflict, who prefer to set on themselves and who tolerate a lot of wickedness from the others. A difficult position, because Mars is to assert itself, while the Libra is to turn a blind eye to what does not go like he wants to… Thus, Mars is not very happy here. The only answer: always find the strenght and the way to put words when something is wrong, by using your sense of justice. Since the Libra is a sign which likes the justice and the balance, it is necessary to use these qualities to express your point of view. It is absolutely necessary for us to denounce and speak out against injustice, to explain our vision for a more equitable (fairer) world .
      In brief, Mars, here, ask us to be a ” teacher “, to express our values, our ideas, our sens of justice, to be the one who stands up for the little guy, to help the downtrodden. Always speak to express your ideal of justice
      Then, do not hesitate: teach your relationship (Libra is the sign of the relationships). That is what I’ve learn about my Mars in Libra.
      Good luck and courage… You are not alone. I feel similar than you. And nobody is a waste. We all have a treasure inside us. We just have to find it, and to put it in the service of the whole human community. (Sorry for my english again. Google helped here ^^)

    • Maybe find the meaning of the north node can help you? It helped me

  24. Hi Hiroki,

    Thank you for the attentiveness you have paid towards the other commenters.

    My natal Mars (in 12th house Leo) is Opposite my 6th house Pisces Saturn (retrograde 0 degree Pisces), and both of which are square my 3rd house Pluto in Scorpio (retrograde). My Saturn is also the ruler of the 5th house.

    I have had a very stable and happy upbringing by two great, responsible and mild mannered parents. I am a unassuming and academically focused person.
    However, I feel a lot of pessimism, low esteem, unexplained anxiety and shyness, self consciousness, confusion and fatigue in me. I suspect that these feelings have something to do with the Saturn-Mars-Pluto aspect.

    What type of past life issues, in your opinion, could this glaring T Square pattern in these Cadent Houses mean? I am truly at my wits end regarding the meaning of this paticular pattern.

    • Hello B, thank you for sharing your experience – good to hear from someone with a happy upbringing to balance out the more extreme cases being shared here. Past life issues tend to get mirrored in your early home circumstance, so there could be more to the story of your upbringing possibly involving siblings, relatives and other children (cadent house issues).

  25. I just started learning about my aspects and I have Mars Square Saturn. My Mars is in Scorpio and my Saturn is in Aquarius. I definitely have a father wound… I grew up with a father who abused us physically and verbally… I had a lot of anger towards him. Though I was able to express it to him at the expense of getting hurt.
    He was a good provider, but he was completely absent emotionally. He was my hero back then. I admired him a lot, so when I found out about him cheating on my mom, I was really hurt and disappointed. Personally, I do have a temper which is quite scary. I’ve had a lot of emotional confrontation with my parents and siblings. I’ve
    always felt that I am helpless to change things with my family and that gave me a lot of anger in my early years. I find myself not following through a lot of things. I just don’t have the motivation or need to assert myself. Yes, I think
    I need a lot of healing to do.

  26. Hi Hiroki

    I have Mars conjunct Saturn in the 2nd House of my Solar Return and both planets are Retrograde. What does this mean?

    Thank you!

  27. Really appreciate your article. I am myself a very intuitive and creative person with a lot of pent up anger and anxiety both. I am an aquarius ascendant with Mars conjunct Saturn and Pluto in my 7th house. My father passed away 2 months back in a very sudden and unexpected manner due to cardiac arrest that too while on a holy visit to a temple. I realized a few years ago that he had huge narcissistic issues and hence the emotional abuse in childhood. Due to all my quest for self awareness I have been able to bring lot of peace in my life. Still there is a lot of healing to take place and I am determined to overcome it.

  28. my son has mars and saturn conjunction in 2 house. he has virgo rising and hence saturn is exalted in libra in 2nd house. However i am not sure about how mars behaves in libra. mars is at 13 degree and saturn as 22 degrees. I think he has anger which i find unreasonable and uncontrollable too.

  29. Hi Hiroki,

    This is probably the most insightful post I have ever read. This had really helped me put my inner into a more constructive, tangible & comprehensive manner.
    I wanted to thank you for discussing this with the world. I am a type of person that is always willing to work on myself & to do my inner work so that I can become a better person for myself to progress forward & to a better person for others.
    My conditional story as a child was somewhat comical, as I am reading your post…I made some notes…
    I had a mother that was too afraid to express or speak up for herself, or to use her masculinity, which caused her to outburst into anger quickly because she could not control others. And a father that used his masculinity too much, but held his anger inside and if he felt powerless, would blame others or not speak up at all because of the anger! Lol!
    I am intimately working on the very details of my conditioning as a child and really seeing how it is not only affecting me as a grown adult interacting with the world but also how I want to be seen in the world.

    Thank you again so much for posting this!

    Aloha & Mahalo
    Raquel ^_^

  30. veronique says:

    Hi Hiroki,
    I have a tight Uranus-Mars-Pluto conjunction in 1st / Virgo, opposite Saturn in 7th. I felt awfully different and weak as a teenager and a young adult, but I grew much stronger, especially since I got married. I certainly feel more and more powerful and managed to build the life I wanted. But it’s still really difficult for me to know where I’m good at and what to do with it.

    • Hi Veronique, thank you for sharing your experience. That is quite a powerful configuration you have, and “weakness” isn’t what comes to mind. Seems to me that you have a highly charged energy that demands a constructive outlet.

  31. veronique says:

    Thanks! I’ll think about it!

  32. Michael nunn says:

    Hi Hiroki,

    My natal Mars and Saturn aren’t too badly apected, Saturn 21 degrees Aries, and Mars 10 degrees Gemini. But!!! In my progressed chart I have Mars in Cancer closing in towards an extremely long-term square with Saturn that will culminate at around 25 degrees Aries/Cancer. Unfortunately, though, and what’s really bothering me, is that Saturn will be in my progressed 12th house and Mars will be in my progressed Solar 12th house (progressed 4th house). I mean, seriously?!! All that friction and burning rage being channeled through two 12th house placements! Do you know the collective term for hidden enemies, by any chance? I was wondering if I should get myself euthanized before this alignment reaches it’s 1 degree orb. On the upside, I have worked through a lot of my father issues and the rage that you described coming from a sense of weakness (being a Cap rising I know all about feeling weak and impotent). I’ve also done a lot of self-awareness work around my ego, too, so hopefully I may be well-placed to channel that cosmic/karmic tsunami into a strong sense of discipline and develop that indomitable will you spoke of.

    Best wishes to you, and thank you for that enlightening article.

    Kind regards
    Mike

    • Hi Mike,

      Thank you for the comment (I’ve removed your birth data, as this is a public forum.) I don’t use progressions in the way you’re describing, so would not interpret this the same way. Using Secondary Progression this way is tricky, as slower planets become pretty much useless in reflecting the fast changing pace of modern life. Your best bet in using secondary progression is to look at the progressed Moon’s passage through your horoscope. Other major life movements can be reflected by transits and solar arcs (please consider scheduling a private consultation if you’d like to discuss the potential of the current time period.)

      • Michael nunn says:

        Hi Hiroki

        Thank you very much for your reply.

        As I am very much a novice in astrology, like many others in my position, I’m foolishly (by way of ignorance) confusing and scaring the hell out of myself when I see these ominous aspects on the horizon. I was thinking along the lines of, “Long-term, rage-inducing aspect connected to the progressed 4th house; hmmm! A lengthy prison sentence, me thinks!” It’s easy to get lost in these thoughts, isn’t it. I feel that learning about astrology, and realizing its reality, has made me quite fatalistic as in there seems to be no escaping one’s destiny (good or bad), so now, I feel that what will be will be, anyway. I could be a little confused about this, also! (Maybe astrology helps us to prepare for, and navigate, those rough waters more safely).

        Unfortunately, Hiroki, I’m not in a position, at the moment, to indulge myself with a private consultation, but it’s something I would love to do at a later date, when the opportunity arises. Thank you, though, for the very generous guidance you’ve included. I do track my progressed moon and other transits, but I haven’t yet taken the time to learn about the solar arcs, as I didn’t realize their importance. I will take a much closer look into this area now.

        Best wishes
        Mike

        • The main thing is to remember is that universe doesn’t hate you, so any astrological interpretation that makes you feel that way is, at best, incomplete, and at worst, a complete hogwash that deserves to be left in the dark ages.

          • Michael nunn says:

            Yes. I know from my own spiritual development that the universe loves us all. If we watch closely enough for long enough, with our heart-minds, we see that it disciplines and helps all of us in its own (words are not enough, here) strange and amazing way. I was going to say it’s like the eighth wonder of the world, but I think it’s really the ultimate wonder of the world (universe).

            Thank you for helping me to see astrology in a more positive light, and that the planets aren’t lining up to “get me” – maybe just helping me grow and change a little, or sometimes a lot.

            You have a kind soul and an insightful mind, Hiroki. I look forward to having a consultation with you at some point in the future. Take care.

  33. Hello Hiroki

    I have been wondering how Mars conjunct Saturn in the composite chart (7 degs wide) could manifest in the relationship (the composite north node is also conjunct but nearer to Saturn by 3 degs)

    Is this set up as challenging, potential to be cold and cruel as well as as negative as some astrologers seem to indicate?

    Thanks for any bit of info you can give me on this.

    Best regards J

    • Hi Jennifer, I don’t use composite chart anymore, so cannot comment on it. Composite chart is a mathematical construct that is divorced from the two original birth charts – I prefer to think in terms of synastry (although I’ve played with composite charts for years.)

  34. I understand Hiroki

    Thanks for responding

  35. Hiroki, thanks for defining the Mars-Saturn relationship. I have both planets conjunct and retrograde in 11th House (Cancer) with Pluto in Leo (12th), and I felt for decades as though I had a brick on me: a taste of success here and there, but only very modest. And yes, my father was volatile and overbearing, picking fights over nothing at the dinner table because if he could make you explode (as he did with my sister), he thought it was funny. Putting up with a lot of that crap and bullying at school gave me a thick skin, but it was not until I left home for the Navy (signed up on 2/7, my 21st birthday), got into the world and saw that not everyone acted that way, that I realized there were ‘normal’ people. I had to live with my loony parents when I was finishing college but went right back to the Navy as soon as I graduated two years later, and did not go back there except to visit. I realized (because I had matured a lot being on my own) that my father had a need to dominate and provoke everyone. When I found a new job and moved to a large city, and paid monthly visits, my father tried picking a fight with me over the route I took to drive home – over nothing, again . When he threatened me for not taking the route he said I should take, I faced him down with ‘What are you going to do to me if I don’t take that route?’ Challenging him stopped that stuff forever. That was several decades ago, and my Aquarian indepdence never went away.
    Now what I see is my thinking that I had a ‘brick’ on me – not the success I had hoped for early – was preparation for what I’m doing in retirement, creating sci-fi and fantasy fiction and fine art, and with Saturn now approaching its natural home (Capricorn) where Pluto is currently residing, the brick was simply a learning process that made me a better writer, fine artist and photographer. I am a very happy camper because of that, slowly building an audience which will last longer than instant success ever could.
    Basically, I will earn the success I always sought but never really found. The realization that challenging my father’s need to dominate everyone broke that grip of his was a huge release toward real independence.
    Thanks for your analysis of this. It has stymied me for a very long time.

  36. Thank You for posting this.
    I have mars in 1st house in Virgo 0 degrees on the ascendant and it opposition my saturn (retrograde) in Pisces 0 degrees on the descendant in the 7th house. This aspect is connects to my t-square to pluto (retrograde 23 degrees) in Scorpio in the 3rd house. Does this T-square aspect amplifies tribulation with father figure?

    • Hi Jordan, Mars opposing Saturn on the Ascendant axis is very emphatic. Pluto at a 7 degree orb (and out of sign) is a bit far to form a T square – but with or without it, the father concern would be central in your horoscope due to the angular placement of retrograde Saturn.

  37. Hello. I find your article very interesting. I have Mars conjunction Saturn exact in the 5th house, a Pisces Sun 4th oppose Pluto 10th, Gemini Moon square Mecury and Moon oppose my Sagittarius Ascendant. Lots of father and mother issues- he was violent and controlling; she was passive and manipulative. Home life was like a prison with sexual undertones and family secrets. They are both narcissists, and have raised narcissistic siblings. My life has been very difficult. The current transits are very heavy- please advise and thank you~Serena

  38. Hello Ive read ur article and Im so frustrated and tired of searching the answer!
    I want your advice to solve the effect of the trouble which was caused in my childhood.I have Mars(Libra) 8H ,opposition Saturn(Aries) 2H. Moon(Aries) 2H, opposition Mars. Mom was really mean and dad never wanted to understand me, whatever he said used to be right, till this day I cant let myself think otherwise. I just want to break free cut the tie..
    The anger and frustration is so much its overwhelming, Im tired of seeking help.
    I pray and hope for your feedback.. thankyou.

    • Hi Maria, thank you for sharing your experience with Mars opposite saturn. Releasing the anger you’ve been holding onto would be one of the most important work you can engage in. It can change your life. However, all successful examples I’ve seen involves getting help and support in this journey (when you’re stuck like this, you simply need help).

      Whether this means hiring a coach or a therapist, the work has to be done with the intention to follow through regardless of how hard or long it may be. It may take several years to be free of the anger, especially if you’ve been holding on to it all these years. All I can say is you can be free, but the responsibility to do the work (and get adequate support) belongs to you and no one else.

      Best wishes,
      Hiroki Niizato

  39. Mars in Capricorn square both Saturn and Neptune in Libra and oppose Uranus in my natal chart. Saturn/Neptune located in the 3rd and Mars in the 6th. Father was remembered as being both physically and mentally abusive (critical) and still remember his stinging words decades later – less so the leather belt and unrestrained anger on his part. Entered teen years fearful and anxious with psychological handicaps. Still, there was love and affection for him (sextile Venus trine Moon) and remember him as a deep thinker who made profound religious and inspirational statements. Relationship with him was better as he aged but remember wanting to avoid him as a child and wishing that he wouldn’t come home. Always extremely angry and frustrated with him because of his harshness and inability to understand yet he was an enterprising businessman, at one point himself successful. Mother was much easier to deal with. He himself endured quite a bit of suffering, injustice and legal problems later in life which I grew to sympathize with. These scars (wounds) run deep – especially in younger years. Mars square Saturn – not an easy aspect – also implies abuse, danger, violence, burns, cuts, accidents and loss of blood as well as arguments and hard feelings – all of which I have experienced. Very difficult if not impossible to achieve success. Ups and downs of energy – depression and discouragement. Much of this difficult karma is spent in youth and contemplation increases as time goes by.

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