12th House Planets: How to Identify Self Limiting Patterns

12th house astrology

12th House and the Patterns of Self-Undoing

12th house is called the house of self-undoing and hidden enemies. While having planets in the 12th house doesn’t necessarily mean you will be a victim of conspiracy, it may suggest the existence of unconscious, self-limiting patterns that hold you back.

What does self-undoing mean?  A simple example:

Let’s say you’re playing a round of golf. You’ve practiced a lot and have the skills necessary to win – yet, while you’re in the lead, you suddenly find yourself inexplicably missing an easy shot. It takes several shots before you regain your composure, and by then you’ve fallen behind the others. What caused it?

This can happen in your relationship, work or even diet.

You might have experienced a similar scenario in relationships (where you seem to create arguments or drama when everything is going well), creative projects (you don’t complete a project that is 80% finished), and/or weight-loss regimen (you lose some weight, and then go right back to where you started).

You already know what to do.  Then why…?

In all of these cases, the problem might not have anything to do with your skills or knowledge. You probably have the knowledge or information (3rd house) about how to play a good game of golf, how to treat your partner in a way that creates a positive emotional bond, how to write/paint/compose, or how to lose weight and keep it off.

Yet in spite of all the knowledge you have, something else is getting in your way of fulfilling your goals. There is a “hidden enemy,” the cause of self-undoing. Such feelings may be especially strong if your inner planet (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus or Mars) is in the 12th house.

 

Natal Planets in 12th House: Examining Your Parents’ Limiting Beliefs

Yes, it could go all the way back to your parents.

Personal planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars) in 12th house may be suppressed due to self-limiting patterns that you’ve unconsciously absorbed from your parents. 12th house is the derivative 3rd house (communication, mindset) of the 10th (the father), and the derivative 9th house (beliefs, worldview) of the 4th (the mother).

Hidden enemy means unconscious beliefs.

As a child you might have accepted your parents’ beliefs about you and the world without question. You might have believed that women (or you) didn’t deserve education, or you were not worthy enough, or your feelings didn’t matter. Beliefs like that can stay in your unconscious and act as your “hidden enemy” by preventing you from fulfilling your goals.

Let’s take a look at personal planets within twelfth house:

12th house Sun: Hiding the self

Sun in 12th house may point out beliefs that limit your pride and pleasure in expressing yourself.  There may be a “once-removed” feeling around the personality so that not all is what it seems.  Perhaps a new public persona is created to hide and protect the private self within.

12th house Moon: Hidden needs and emotions

Moon in 12th house may suggest unconscious beliefs that prevent you from honoring your needs and emotions.  Perhaps expressing your emotion was not safe while growing up, or the adults did not pay enough attention to how you felt and what you needed.  The soul (Moon) could be hiding deep within the realm of the unconscious, perhaps available in the form of images, dreams and creative inspiration.

12th house Mercury: Veiled thoughts & communications

Mercury in the 12th might suggest unconscious patterns that compromise your ability to communicate effectively or directly.  How did your parents communicate to you, and to each other?  How did that affect you?  Writing your thoughts on paper (or in your computer) might help you access and organize your thoughts.  Sending a well thought out letter might be infinitely more preferable to giving an impromptu speech.

12th house Venus: Private ideals

Venus in 12th house might point to limiting beliefs about relationships. Perhaps the role model at home was so poor that you had no choice but to construct an image of ideal relationships from work of fiction.  Reality will never match up to the ideals, and frustration could result (you may want to study the article on Neptune-Venus aspect and disillusionment).

12th house Mars: Hidden Anger

Mars in 12th house may suggest unconscious taboo against expressing anger.  If you were not allowed to express anger while growing up, the emotions of anger, frustration and even rage could be suppressed by your conscious self.  The hidden anger could come up in surprising situations, especially in an intimate relationship.   The first step is to get in touch with the suppressed anger, and learn how to work with them in a constructive manner.

 

Transit to Your 12th House Planets: A Crisis Point

Transiting outer planets can force your 12th house planets to wake up.

When Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto activate the 12th house planets through transit or Solar Arc, you may reach a crisis point regarding the issues related to the affected planet (and perhaps the house it rules.) You may be forced to deal with the unhealthy patterns you’ve been carrying, or else risk a loss of some kind (job, relationship, or health.)

12th house transit may be the time to say “Enough is enough.”

Some people hit bottom during such times of crisis, and realize they cannot keep holding onto the old patterns anymore. Such realization could mark a major turning point, after which you’re no longer the same person you were before.

What Bill Evans said.

A jazz legend Bill Evans once said, “Recognizing the problem is 90% of solving it.” We could paraphrase and say “Recognizing the unconscious, self-limiting patterns in your life is 90% of overcoming them.”

12th house growth creates new self-image

Once you win the internal game of the 12th house by letting go of the limiting patterns from your past, you become free to utilize all of your skills and knowledge in the external world. This in turn helps you to create a winning, stronger, and more successful self-image, which becomes your new 1st house.

 

How was your experience with the 12th house planets?

Do you have natal planets in the 12th house?  How have you experienced them in your life?  Feel free to share your thoughts and insights in the comment section.

 

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About Hiroki Niizato

Hiroki Niizato is a professional consulting astrologer in Florida, serving clients in US and abroad. He has been practicing astrology professionally since 2001. Hiroki is a highest honor graduate of the demanding Master’s Degree Certification Course in Astrology by Noel Tyl.

You can contact Hiroki via email at: Hiroki@hniizato.com or Phone: 727-470-4056 to ask a question or schedule a consultation.

Comments

  1. Very usefull Information. Thank you.

  2. This posting is one of the bests I read on the 12th house… Simple and to the point. Thanks for sharing! I do have a question, though. What does it mean when you have saturn in 12th house?

    • Hello Pablo,

      Saturn in 12th could manifest as a certain type of work (large organization, institution, etc), so it’s not necessarily psychological.

      • Lori Lotts says:

        What if your Taurus Venus in the 12th conjunct your Taurus Saturn in the 12th? … Any insight would be appreciated?

        • Hi Lori, I think it accentuates the 12th house Venus theme more, and the reason for emotional suppression needs to be explored…It might have implication for productive aesthetic talent, on the other hand.

  3. Beautiful! Thank you.

  4. Jill Rowan says:

    Hi Hiroki,
    I have Jupiter in the 12th house, what does this mean? I also wrote to you enquiring about my unaspected sun.
    Many thanks!

  5. Hello, I have Saturn and North node in my 12th (Virgo), Sun – Cancer, Ascendant – Virgo. All I can say, although I see Virgo qualities in myself (idealization, perfectionism), yet I am sooo emotional, Im expert in feeling/expressing/overexagerating emotions (South node Pisces) and am lacking keeping attention to details, and keeping myself and schedule/job organized (I have Saturn square Mars). Not easy to deal with on daily errands :)

    What can you say of North node Virgo placed in 12th? The placement in Pisces would be easy to interpret, yet I struggle with its interpretation in Virgo (12th house)… Consideing sign, the task is to learn to organize myself, paying attention to details/schedules, etc. But where you can do with placement in 12th ? Thanks.

    • Hi Jolanta,

      You have Virgo Ascendant, which suggests that you need to think in terms of being exact, correct, and right, in order to feel strongly about yourself. All of the things you mentioned such as details, organization and schedules are manifestations of the mental acuity you need. Saturn in Virgo will assist this, no matter that it is in the 12th. You might want to ask yourself if there is a negative mental belief inside you about working and thinking in this Virgoan way, and if so, why? Was one of your parents exhibiting the negative quality of the Virgo archetype? I’d proceed like that….North Node not withstanding.

      Hiroki

  6. Michele Haire says:

    I have my Sun (in Taurus) in the 12th. It wasn’t until I was much older and understood astrology better that I realized what that could possibly mean in terms of my own self-expression/creativity and any accompanying blocks. Oh wait, did I mention my Sun squares Uranus in Leo in the 3rd! So as you you can imagine, I’ve spent a lifetime expressing myself while still feeling self-conscious about it a lot of the time!

    Sometimes the more staid, demure Taurus has won out and I backed down, hiding my light under a bushel but then there were times when my loud and proud Leo has shoved Taurus aside, roaring…”Whether you/it look(s) silly or not…DO IT!”

    With age and wisdom, I have come to understand that sometimes I need to allow Taurus to step to the fore and keep me grounded and disciplined (even WITH my all my quirky creative self-expression) but then there are times when I’ve needed Leo’s courage to help me color outside the lines and toot my own horn!

  7. hello
    love the bill evans reference. my south node is in 12 in capricorn…any thoughts on reversing self undoing with this combo?

  8. Hi,
    This is the best description of the twelfth house I´ve ever red, And I have red a lot.
    It was like a description of my life. I have the sun, moon, venus, saturn and mercury in the twelfth house. I am taurus with gemini ascendent.
    My father left my mother 1 month before I was born, and he never really loved me. My mother was very depressed after her divorce. And she was alone with me and my two older brothers.
    I have struggled all my life with low self esteem, shyness, feeling of loneliness, and not finishing any educations or projects I have started. I´ve always liked to paint, but it has never really been acknowledged in my family. And I never believed in myself. I was a daydreamer with a good imagination.
    I´ve been unemployed for long periods. I am quite sensitive, and I love children and animals.
    But now I m about to have enough of it. I wanna get out of this twelfth house that feels so restraining. Because I believe now that I deserve better.

    Katrina

    • Hello Katrina,

      Thank you for commenting and sharing your experience. Well said – go for it!

    • Veronica says:

      Katrina, hi, I so resonate with you. I too have a 12th house sun and venus both in Leo. Leo is rising as well. So I have alot of leo energy going on meaning, I should have aalot of courage. My father was there in the home but emotionally absent. I never could bring myself to tell him I loved him because I felt he never really loved me. This of course spills over into my venus 12th house issues. Never feeling good enough, thinking I would be rejected in love relationships but now like you, I want to be free of my own self undoing. Breaking away from the 12th house monsters and expressing the true qualities of being a Leo. Having courage to throw myself out there and not be afraid of rejection, my biggest fear. So your post helped me because I see I’m not alone. (12th house crap, lonliness) coming out of my self imposed prison of the 12th house and blaming God. Smh

  9. Yasmin Lei says:

    Thank you for this interpretation. I came here to help a friend but then became interested for your take on my chart. Put simply and straight to the point. But now I have questions. Moon in Gem in the 12th. How to over come this undoing.

    • Hi Yasmin,

      Thank you for commenting. There are many scenarios of suppression and self-undoing, and different ways to overcome it. It might help if you ask within how the needs of your Gemini Moon might be suppressed in your life, and reflect on the reason why. You’re also welcome to schedule an appointment if you’d like me to take a closer look at your natal chart for further discussion.

  10. Thank you, i have foumd you post very interestimg. I have a question. I have virgo ac and leo 12th house and south node leo 29 degrees conjunct. Juppiter is goigle to connect my south node… What is giono to be … Am i giungere to lern about my past and about limitation? Thank you very much for your answer?

    • Hello Kaisha,

      Jupiter transits are fast and fleeting most of the time, so you might need to consciously explore your consciousness in order to get anything out of it. Meditation and other related activities during this time period might help if you’re looking for this kind of insight.

  11. Sorry my phone …. Lilith in virgo 12th house conjunct south node in leo and juppiter is going to transit in viego soon conjunct south node. Thank you

  12. What does it mean if you have Pluto conjunct Saturn in Libra, in the 12th house?

    • Hi Susannah,

      It’s difficult to generalize by just taking Pluto conjunct Saturn in the 12th house, but I would explore it as possible suppression of traumatic experience.

  13. Hi,

    I have Jupiter in Gemini in XII.
    I have lost faith in myself and other people a long time ago already.
    My dreams, my whishes are nothing but a waste of time, money and effort.
    It is not about being a perfectionist. It is worse. It is knowing that sooner or later, just before reaching any goal, any wish, a destructive force will destroy everything I have build and worked for. And this force is ME. It is as if you are opening a door leading to a corridor, hoping that your other Self is not standing behind the other door at the end of the corridor. But it is there, always. Waiting for you to arrive after having worked so hard and it tells you: Hi stupid. Back again?! What took you so long? This joke?
    My family has a part in this sadic ‘play’ with no escape possible. They tell me that you should be or do this and that too, because it works for them and or they need you as some kind of support. And then after a while, you end up alone.
    What can you say to me about Jupiter in Gemini in XII?.

    • Hello Elsa,

      Jupiter in 12th house is traditionally thought of as a good placement (they called it “guardian angel” because Jupiter can connect to the unseen realms represented by the 12th house). Although you seem to be leaning toward a negative interpretation (like “suppressed faith”) due to your personal experience, which is certainly one possible outcome of this placement, probably the heavy feeling you describe isn’t due to this 12th house Jupiter placement. Rather, it’s most likely the case that rediscovering your lost faith (Jupiter in 12th house) would be the first step in your transformation.

  14. I have a stellium with Uranus, Saturn, Neptune, and Mars in my 12th house (Capricorn). Also my Ascendant is in Capricorn. Pluto is in Capricorn at the moment and when I look back at my most recent past, it all makes sense why those years were intense for me. Pluto has been transforming aspects of my life that has to do with the twelfth house. At the moment Pluto is about to be conjunct, if it isn’t already, my Cappy Ascendant in 13 degrees.

  15. Hello,

    I have Venus, Mars, and Jupiter stellium in 12th House (in Sagittarius); which all trine Moon in 8th House (Leo) and square Saturn in 3rd House (Pisces). I have tons of energy and positivity whenever I don’t feel restricted/burdened by responsibility. The Sagittarius-Leo energy is so strong.

    I agree with how Venus in 12th House people don’t have a good role model, which push me to create ideal illusions (I do this ALL the time), especially about what kind of person I should be. With Mars in 12th House, I’m the worst when it comes to expressing my anger because I don’t know how to express it properly and constructively.

    Now I have Transit Pluto in 1st House and Transit Saturn conjunct Pluto. The struggle is no joke, but I start to get the hang of it. I learn patience and start meeting then accepting my ugliest sides. I’m now experiencing small forms of ‘transforming’ to build inner strength.

    I’ll visit your site again to read more of your writings. Thank you for sharing this.

    • Hi Pluto,

      Thank you for commenting and sharing your experience regarding your Venus, Mars & Jupiter in the 12th house. With Saturn square these planets, the challenge may be to bring to reality the special visions you have, perhaps through some mode of communication and self expression.

  16. Greetings,

    I am new to astrology and I am very confused with some of my placements. A lot of them point to success in career and success in love but it hasn’t been that way for me at all. I am 29 and really lost about what I want to do with my life. My Sun is 20° cancer in 6th house. Moon in Virgo in 8th house. Cancer in 7th with mercury. Saturn in 10th Sagittarius and mars (Capricorn) and Neptune (Pisces) both in my 12the house. And all my planets are retrograde except my Venus. (Moon and Sun not included) Help

  17. My Mars in my 12 th house (2-3 degrees from the top of this hose), in Virgo, is in square with Mercury and Venus in 3rd house. My Mars in is opposition to Vesta in Pisces and square to Node in Gemini. I do not understand how it act, and thus I will be grateful for any comments to this position.
    Pluto and Uran are located very near my Mars but in 11 th house.
    I’ll read more of your writings which are very interesting!

    • Hi Anna,

      Aside from what’s already been discussed in this article, Mars in 12th house tied to 3rd house planets could suggest communication energies derived from unseen realms. This could be important for creative people that rely on inspiration to perform their tasks. There are other implications for this placement, but just know that there are multiple possibilities. Please schedule a consultation for a more complete assessment of your horoscope.

  18. Hi, I just found out that I have 3 planets in my 12th house (Sun, Mercury and Saturn). I don’t understand and what does it mean if I have an empty house in 3rd, 6th and 7th? Please help.

    • Hi Rosemarie,

      Empty houses do not mean that you have nothing going on in those houses, so don’t worry too much about it. For planets in the 12th house, please request a session if you need more in-depth info in addition to what is covered in the article…It means different things for each person.

  19. Hello I want to know what it means for Sun in Pisces(12th house)to conjunct in a transgression to Ascendant in Aries(1st house)

    • Hi Zaa, Progressed or Solar Arc Sun crossing the Ascendant could suggest a major opportunity to be recognized. It’s a time where you can express yourself more fully. Going from Pisces to Aries also suggest similar transition.

  20. Hugo louro says:

    Mars in Leo in 12th opposite Moon in Aquarius 6th Any help on this 12th house?

  21. Tony Isikeri says:

    Hi.thanks for your post on 12th house,i have my mars in 12th house,and presetly having relationship crisis.wish i overcome the transit of Saturn -Tony,Nigeria

  22. Thank you for your style of writing and knowledge. The twelth house moon in Capricorn, along with the North Node in the twelth in Capricorn ( Saturn in sixth) and a Capricorn Ascendant. (Neptune is in my tenth along with Venus). Pluto transiting Capricorn now (pluto natal eight house conjunct sun in Libra). What can I do to help my self- undoing?

  23. This is a very good post.I have mars and taurus in the 12 house and it’ really hectic.When I was 12 years,an uncle and an aunty whom I grew with from year 1 to that age 12 planned to take me to my mum but didn’t inform me,my aunt made me believe that my uncle was travelling somewhere so I should follow him to buy me soap from a nearby town to bring back home that very day,then he will go on to where he is going.I didn’t know anywhere at that time so before I realise,I was in my mother’s house where I was going to stay without coming back home with the soap as my aunt told me.I was angry that they didn’t tell me what they were doing but could not show it because I thought I had wronged them which was not true though.I didn’t know what happenned.I was just crying for about 3 months till my mum sent me back to my aunt.Since then,I continued hidding my anger and my desires.I began telling lies to people that I wasn’t interested in intimacy and to my surprise,I started avoiding intimacy altogether.I became depressed and down as a result but thanks to astrology,am getting better by accepting that anger is not bad.

    • Thank you for sharing your story! This is a dramatic example of Mars in the 12th house…Great to hear how astrology helped you understand the dynamic of the hidden anger, which led to an acceptance of the suppressed emotion. Good for you!

  24. Lian Simhon says:

    Hi,
    I have Mercury, Venus, the sun, Mars, Neptune, and Uranus in my 12th house…
    I would love to meet with you and have you look into my natal chart.
    How do I schedule a meeting with you?
    Are you available to work through the phone?

  25. Hi.. I have my pluto (28th degree) conjuct saturn (29th degree) in libra in 12th house with trine with my moon in the fourth house. What does it mean? And It is said that saturn 29th degree is very karmic, could you explain that please..

    • Hi Emel, although this is a bit different from the theme of this article, a placement like what you mentioned sometimes suggests a career that deals with the government or large business (12th house often represents the institution, and Saturn and Pluto both amplifies the symbolism.) 29th degree is sometimes called the critical degree, and is thought to pack a lot of punch – basically making Saturn extra powerful within your horoscope, which again goes back to the importance of your career. Would be curious to hear if this applies in your case..

  26. I have sun mercury venus and jupiter in the 12th house. When i was little i knew there was something about me, sth not very nice but challenging. Everyone saw me strangely, my mum thought i had dyslexia, my teachers (until now) say that i don’t talk at all and it’s not healthy for me. I can go hours with out talking to anybody maybe even day but then i burst, i can’t accept loneliness no. It’s also hard for me to concentrate and i have low self esteem. I don’t know what 12th house is really about and what the hidden talents really are but i have to say my life has been really difficult, i don’t know if you get me, but I have no idea what I’m going to do like this, Truth is i always pray god to actually have a chance to have consider a wrong birth time, i will go check this when I’m 18 but i don’t think I’ve done wrong. It seems like everyone around me is having fun and being carefree and it’s like I’m not allowed to join them, i can’t, i really am jealous of everyone with another house stellium..

    • Hello J, checking the birth time is important especially if you have doubts about it. Know that 12th house planets do not cause the difficulty – they just reflect the actual real life issues you had growing up – so the thing to do is find out what issues your thinking pattern is causing, and discover what emotions lie underneath it…

  27. PAPIYA SARKAR says:

    Now I’m 58yrs old.suddenly one day I just kicked them out from my mind.whom I was worshipping from my childhood. Those were my older sisters. I am Sagittarius ascendant with moon. .Saturn &north node in my 12th house. .I can recognise me through your 12th house astrology. Thanks to you. I love astrology very much.venus &Jupiter in my 10th house in virgo.can I learn astrology ?I have enough time now . Thanks a lot..

    • Hi Papiya, glad you recognized some of your own story through the article – astrology is a wonderful tool for self discovery, and the learning is open to all. Start with reading good books on basics…Donna Cunningham, Stephen Arroyo, Robert Hand, Liz Greene are all good teachers of modern astrology. Noel Tyl writes for higher level students, but his writing is one of the most practical application of astrology you can read. Enjoy!

  28. WIEJANDA says:

    I have my pars fortunae in the 12th. What would this mean?

    • Hello there, Part of Fortune is a severely outdated concept invented before midpoints – Despite it’s romantic sounding name, it’s just a way of relating 3 points in your horoscope. Modern astrologers use midpoints instead (which relates the 3 points in a much more elegant way.)

  29. kelly wasilishen says:

    i have my Moon in 12th house as well as Neptune, both in Sag. i def self sabatoge all the time and i feel like this is one of my life lessons. your article mentions people with the moon in the 12th have their souls hiding and u can reach ur soul by ways of dreams/dreaming and creative outlets which i resonate so much with!!! you also say if u have an outer planet in the 12th house which i do, u hit rock bottom and then u make changes which has happened to me so many times in this life. i wait till i hit rock bottom to make any changes. another life lesson i guess. thank u for writing this article, i loved it!

  30. thank you for the interesting info. i have venus(libra) in my 12th house natally. but what i really would like to know is what your thoughts are on relocated planets. i moved to a new location 2 years ago. my relocated chart shows my nice 11th house libra stellium now moved into the 12th. i have to say, these last 2 years have been some of the hardest of my entire life!! really painful–and very 12th house in so many ways. did i make a mistake moving here? the move did bring natal venus to the ascendant, but other than that, ugh.

    there is one other part to the question: although i did move to this place which gave me these new planetary positions, during the same time i also went through the pluto square to my stellium, the uranus opposition, as well as a square from neptune to natal saturn (and just now to my moon.) could it be that the transits are more responsible for all of this than the relocation? just wondering, since on the one hand, maybe i should try to stay here and stick it out, as these transits are finishing soon. but on the other hand, if the relocated chart is at least as responsible, maybe i should consider moving. any thoughts?

    • Hi Natasha,

      Your natal chart will continue to be valid regardless of your current location – 11th house planets will remain 11th house planets. So with regard to your question, it’s somewhat more correct to put the “responsibility” on the transit rather than the relocated chart (although it’s impossible to say without having the whole picture.)

  31. Hello,
    Your writing style is easy to understand.
    I personally have Uranus (in sagistarius) in the 12th house conjunct ascendant (sagistarius conjunct Neptune). I often feel like I dont’t fit in or I don’t belong but I have no idea about other interpretations. Would you mind giving some opinion about the placement?

    • Hi Hong, If Uranus is within 2.5 degrees of Ascendant, you could consider it to be in 1st house. In either case, Uranus conjunction with Ascendant suggests a strong need for individuation, which means you’ll feel more at home with yourself and others once you find your unique path in life.

  32. Brenda Koehler says:

    Thank you for your insights. I appreciate your knowledge. I have 3 planets in the 12th house–Saturn/Mars conjunct with a 2 degree orb and they are also conjunct Neptune with a 8 and 6 degree orb respectively. I strongly feel the theme of self-undoing in my life of which you speak and also feel that I am a hidden enemy to my own self. I am trying to remedy this situation with meditation. I hope that is enough or at least a start that will make me aware of more things I can do to end this pattern of self undoing.

    • Hi Brenda, thank you for commenting. Meditation is a great way to increase self-awareness and find the hidden patterns operating within your life – awareness gives possibility for change, so it’s a positive practice.

  33. i have venus and pluto in 12th house in scorpio.
    i get a lot struggle with my love life.
    i feel so hard to move on if the relationship end.
    i feel hurt so deeply but i dont show it. once i show it…i just regret it. i dont like feel stupid i think because my moon in capricorn. so yeah..
    with sag rising.. i am looking fine. but hurt inside.
    pain will pass. and happy. and the pain again then happy that life lol

    • Hi Linda, Venus in 12th house can be challenging especially if you cannot accept your feelings to yourself. It might be a case of needing to accept the deep, difficult feelings within yourself.

  34. Hello!
    I am lost trying to figure out what’s a North Node in capricorn but in 12th House about?
    Thank you!

    • Hello there, North Node isn’t a planet so the interpretation differs from the ideas shared in this article. A spiritually oriented astrology would consider that placement to suggest a need for meditation and introspection, as well as connecting with unseen realm of existence or helping others that are suffering somehow.

  35. Thank you very much! :)
    Great blog you have in here ,
    wishing all the best!

  36. I have sun, mercury, mars, in 12 house (libra). My saturn, uranus and neptune are all in capricorn (in house 3). When you mention transiting planets, do you think that since capricorn is square to libra, the upcoming saturn transit in capricorn (december 2017) will be especially…..difficult? Insight? Thank you

    • Hi Ann, Saturn going through Capricorn will square the 3 planets in Libra, for sure. One way to see these transits is as opportunities to see your hidden patterns more clearly, so that you can take a different path going forward.

  37. I’ve got Mars and Venus within 7 degrees of each other in Pisces (my rising sign) and in the 12th house. I am Sun sign Aquarius in 11th house, so the Sun isn’t far off. I also have Uranus squaring Venus and Mars.

    I just want to say, I feel exactly equally blessed and cursed for this sign. If I can get more in touch with the inner-world benefits I should have easily, I will love this aspect of my chart (especially with a very difficult Saturn conjunct Moon in Scorpio right at the beginning of the 8th house, barfff!!). But living with totally unmet material world needs and an exagerrated imagination (Neptune and Uranus in a Midheaven Sagittarius and South Node Capricorn sort of confusing the shit out of me), I regard my Pisces-ruled personality with some extreme self-mistrust and resentment. Sort of like, it’s a treasure that I’ll never really get to enjoy in this lifetime, so I am extremely prone to depression and withdrawal. Aquarian coldness to the T….

    Back to the point on Mars and Venus conjunct Pisces 12th house; love life seems like it’s been good when I remember it, miraculously with a partner most of my adult life, but for some reason, it doesn’t feel like it and I maintain delusions that I’m actually cursed in this arena, which simultaneously drivesdrivesDRIVES my self-belief, and isn’t true. Definitely respond to disollusionment and disappointment with a fantasy-prone addictive nature, and find my escape in art of all kinds which my chart seems to greatly bolster despite this difficult time with Mars and Venus simultaneously. But I would trade all my hard-won artistic talent, turn my back on my creative gifts in a heartbeat, for a more externally functional placement of Mars and Venus. Not to mention the Uranus square, it seems like my chart is hellbent on making me face these issues! Luckily my Venus is trine Pluto and trine Moon so that might help ease the pressure, but just the fact that I seem to be tied totally hard to Pisces and 12th house makes even the boons I see in my chart hard to fully experience.

    Unless I’m getting something artistic or spiritual out of my 12th House Venus/Mars conjunction in my rising sign of Pisces, I turn my sentiments against the whole damn thing in an absolute microsecond, feeling jaded cheated and imprisoned, for unclear but still intensely felt, reasons.

  38. Eva Farhat says:

    Hi Hiroki, my partner’s mars and mercury is in Leo and in the 12th house , i think it is a very difficult mix – what do you think about?

    • Hi Eva, Mars in 12th house can suggest hidden anger. Mercury in 12th house might make it more challenging to communicate it. The key might be in trying to understand what the emotions are about so that they don’t stagnate inside him.

  39. Krsitina L says:

    Uranus Capricorn 0′
    Saturn Capricorn 2′
    Rising Capricorn 8′
    Neptune 10′ Capricorn
    Mars 10′ Capricorn

    My Sun Pisces 27′
    Moon Aries 0′

    I have noticed I have a hard time. I feel like I flip flop in life. Very indecisive. I know growing up I had a very strict father. I always felt that I needed to be the best and I was afraid of any type of failure. With both my Saturn and Uranus hidden behind my ASC I see that my creativity was hindered. I blocked out a lot of creativity as I got older. A lot of my frustrations in life have been because I have had such a hard life, and I have been using this energy of this combination in negative ways that ultimately caused my marriage to failed. It’s allowed me to open my eyes and get down to the bottom of my issues. I just want to know, would my Saturn and Uranus act as if in the 12th house with this placement? Saturn is also transiting in my 12th house which is digging into WHY I have been acting the way I have. When I see it in black in white, I have finally understood reality.

  40. Alex burlacu says:

    Hello Hiroki, great insight for 12th house, thank you! I have Sun and Mercury in Aquarius, venus in 10 (pisce), moon in 12th (0degrees in gemini), asc in cancer 5degrees. What can you say about uranus perfect opossition with moon in 12th? Venus is in oposition with mars & jupiter (conjunct in virgo, 4th), and saturn & lilith 24degrees in virgo. Thank you!

    • Hi Alex,

      Uranus in contact with Moon in 12th house can intensify the Moon’s needs. It’s possible there could be an altruistic (helping others) way to express the needs of the Moon.

      You’ve listed several planetary placements – to synthesize these, it’s best if I look at your entire chart and not just the ones that you’ve mentioned. For that, please consider scheduling a private consultation.

  41. Hi Hiroki,
    I was literally shocked reading your very well written analysis regarding the 12th house and the effect it can have within the specific planets.
    I have ALL Personal planets in the 12th house (Sun,moon, mercury,acsendant all in Gemini mars & venus both in Taurus)
    I have very responsible Parents who were in their early twenties, when they had Me! Always making Sure, I received the best education possible. Never financial issues. However, my Dad was very strict, making me do nothing else but follow his orders (army-brat) not daring to question anything. No emotions whatsoever! My goal was to make him proud, not knowing, if I ever actually did… my Mom wasn’t able to protect me, eventhough very loving. Never understood what my soul actually needed. Education and independancy in order to succeed in society was her only focus for me. It felt/feels like my innerself has been malnourished all my life, since money and success aren’t the real satisfying goals in life! Like being on stage, trying to explain all I “see” & “feel” which is so much… but my audience is deaf!! The anger which I kept inside throughout so many situations just suddenly explodes & I am just being considered as totally aggressive! A game I cannot win…..it’s devastating! I hope other 12th housers can relate & see that they’re not alone, ’cause giving up is not an Option! And I did finish something btw –> law-school :-) (but I hated it…) So…what do you Think? I do kinda fit in your description at least with my natal Chart! ;-) BR from Germany!

    • Hi Sharon, thank you for sharing your experience. There is a lot of insight in what you wrote, especially the feeling of being on stage but to a deaf audience. Being invisible – not being “seen” and “heard” for what you really feel inside – could be a common 12th house experience. In turn, you’ll need someone that can act as a positive mirror (someone to see and hear you) so that you begin to know yourself.

  42. Thank you Hiroki for this! I have Virgo Moon in my 12th house and I have power struggles in relations because I’m too people pleasing when deep down, I just want to say no. Also, with authority, I choke when I try talking passive aggressively. I’m very aware of this now and slowly trying to regain my power. I think my Libra Asc also plays a role in this.
    I also have Jupiter Libra in my 12th house, can you possibly tell me a little more about it?
    Thank you for your work, you and your work are highly appreciated!

    • Hi Polly, thank you for sharing your experience. Jupiter in 12th is traditionally considered a good placement, probably because of the expansive spiritual dimension it implies. Regarding the patterns you mentioned, awareness certainly helps in creating distance from the issue.

  43. Hi Hiroki…your article about 12th house is very useful as am having the stellium of mars,Venus,mercury and sun in Capricorn ascendant. But I want to know that what will happen when mars, Venus and mercury gets combusted by sun???

    • Hello Ani, “combust” is an old concept from horary astrology and doesn’t necessarily have the same ominous implication in modern astrology. In terms of psychology, the closeness of Venus or Mercury to the Sun often suggests a strong tendency for idealism that colors your thought, speech and relationship patterns.

  44. How does this apply to those with no planets in the 12th (mine being in Taurus)? Is it still possible to somehow utilize some of this to uncover self-limiting patterns and heal them? I have a 1st house Chiron, Saturn in the 7th, the Moon in the fourth and a Sun in the 9th. For some reason I feel that the 12th is a missing piece of the puzzle in my healing journey but I’m not sure how to begin unraveling it myself.

    • Hi Atalanta, similar patterns can certainly come up without having any planet in the 12th house. There are quite a few ways for this to happen (basically, we’re looking for potentials for suppression.)

      Also, sometimes the ruler of 12th house can have a similar feel to a planet being in 12th house. Please consider scheduling a private consultation if you’d like me to take a look at your horoscope in more depth.

  45. hi!

    I have all planets in the 12 house, except Mars. And my partner has them except moon and mars.
    this period is a very tough one for both of us. Nothing of what used to work does not work anymore.
    I constantly say: something’s gotta change. we got to face the mirror and change the way we do things.

    please, tell me how this double house 12 full of planets may affect?

    thank you

    • Hi Oana, it really depends on how you’re utilizing the 12th house energies. For example if both of you’re strongly spiritual or artistic, maybe this emphasis will continue to deepen. If both of you share a problem that is hidden (e.g. in unconscious), maybe a strong transit will signal a time to deal with it. To further discuss things taking into account your entire chart, please consider scheduling a a private appointment.

  46. Kari wood says:

    I come here to read your insightful and cogent articles often. Thank you. Mars is transiting my 12 th and I can certainly testify to hard aspects bringing impossible to ignore circumstances and reality checks.

    I’ve relocated ( to help family) and its been a lonely, grief stricken/dystopian nightmare. I’ve been refusing to change
    things and feeling guilty,and out of balance more than I can say. In the last month, I lost several thousand dollars while shopping, car rolled out of driveway into neighbors yard due to my carelessness and tonite while in Safeway getting supplies for a serious storm someone smashed my window and stole my purse,phone and laptop (among other things) as well as planner bills and critically important notes. Lastly, I should prob mention all of this comes at biggest crisis of my life (and narcissistic/elderly mother’s as well. Its a powerful incentive!!!!!

    ready to change in the PNW

    p.s. I never write or reply to anything online as a rule, and now esp. as I am in crisis mode 24/7 and caring for my mom, but as I read various replies one captured my attention and I saw that the author was MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! synchronicity
    im sorry for the length of this but I really needed to share.

  47. I have saturn conjunct venus in libra in 12th house….it really feels awkward and fearful to approach people for any work…a sense of rejection….

  48. Hi hiroki , i admire your insightful thoughts about the 12th house , espicially the part when u fail on purpose sometimes , and i just dont know why iam doing this
    So iam having a big stelluim of (sun -venus-mars-neptune-uranus ) in 12th house with aquarius ascendant and aquarius sun ,, whats ur thought to get the best out of this stellium , specialy i feel like i have alot of power and talents , and i just cant pit my hands on it , and venus is 3 degrees of the sun and 3 degrees of the ascendant .. waiting ur respons

  49. Capricorn rules my 12th house. I have Sun, Venus, Neptune, Saturn, and North Node in Capricorn in my 12th house. I have a retrograde Chiron in the 6th house with my South Node (Cancer) and an Aquarius Ascendant. I am extremely spiritual and am blessed to have been introduced to yoga and meditation at a young age. If not for that I would have lost my mind many moons ago.

    This 12th house stellium is throwing me for a loop, though. I feel I am going down, down, down a rabbit hole. I have always felt like a very old soul and feel connections to past lives. I feel compelled to do something spiritual with my life and help people, but fear holds me back.

    What do you make of this placement, Hiroki? Is meditation my best friend? Any insights are more appreciated than you know. Thank you!!

    • Hi nestamook, thank you for sharing your experience with the 12th house stellium. Yes, meditation would be quite beneficial to recognize and sort out the unconscious patterns. Any other possible expressions would have to be considered by looking at the whole horoscope.

  50. Thanks for the information. I have sun, mercury, Venus and Mars in 12th house Scorpio. Mercury is combust. South node in the ASC.

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